Author Topic: Soyuz-2.1a - Kosmos-2515 (Bars-M #2) - Plesetsk - March 24, 2016 (09:42 UTC)  (Read 10518 times)

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Might as well start the thread for the launch of the second Bars-M cartographic satellite which was scheduled for August before there was the Progress-M 27M failure to disrupt things.   Not sure what the knock-on effect might be for the Bars-M launch schedule.
« Last Edit: 03/25/2016 02:03 PM by Satori »
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #1 on: 07/15/2015 03:42 PM »
This tender appears to confirm that the 2nd is to go up six months after the 1st?
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=2620876

Which supports what Mr. Pillet posted:-
I have the plan for all the Soyuz launches from Baikonur and Plesetsk for the next two years :
30.08.2015 - Soyuz-2.1a - Plesetsk 43/4 - Bars-M n°2
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #2 on: 08/09/2015 08:03 PM »
Do we have any updates about the launch schedule for this mission, please?   It was going to be launched around August 30th.
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #3 on: 09/03/2015 04:22 AM »
The latest launch listing from Rui is showing a "Cosmos" launch from Plesetsk in the third week of September: I wonder if this could be the second Bars-M?.
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #4 on: 09/07/2015 07:27 AM »
The latest launch listing from Rui is showing a "Cosmos" launch from Plesetsk in the third week of September: I wonder if this could be the second Bars-M?.

I don't think so, as this entry came from a quote by the general director of ISS Reshetnev that they have a satellite built for the Russian MoD to be launched from Plesetsk in late September. And here I thought that Bars-M is a TsSKB-Progress product.....  ::)
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #5 on: 09/07/2015 04:43 PM »
OK, I had missed that the launch would be a Reshetnev satellite.   The second Bars-M was due at the end of August so I wonder how long it has been delayed for.
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #6 on: 12/24/2015 01:33 PM »
There is this tender from Progress:-
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Анализ допущенных отступлений от КД и ТД и оценка эффективности мер по их устранению при производстве изделий 14С46 №3-138, №6-138, 47КС №3Л, 14Ф148 №2
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/public/purchase/info/common-info.html?noticeId=3210202

14С46 is the Volga upper stage, with №3 to be used for the next Soyuz-2-1V and №6 for Lomonosov. 47КС is Resurs-P.

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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #7 on: 02/27/2016 06:12 PM »
All has been quiet on the Bars-M #2 front.   Are there any rumours of a launch schedule yet?   It was supposed to go in August last year but that slipped following the Progress problems in April.
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #8 on: 02/27/2016 07:16 PM »
Wikipedia (german version)
says: Der nächste Satellit soll 2018 gestartet werden.
« Last Edit: 02/27/2016 07:17 PM by Alter Sachse »

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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #9 on: 02/27/2016 07:53 PM »
Wikipedia (german version)
says: Der nächste Satellit soll 2018 gestartet werden.

Both #1 and #2 were due last year (six months apart) with #3 being due in 2018.
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #10 on: 02/28/2016 09:56 AM »
Wikipedia (german version)
says: Der nächste Satellit soll 2018 gestartet werden.

Both #1 and #2 were due last year (six months apart) with #3 being due in 2018.

I think the 2018 date for #3 is based on the first having launched in 2013 and lasting 5 years?
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #11 on: 02/28/2016 10:06 AM »
Notice in Anik’s serial numbers 76058161/31М135С listed under fairing 14С744. So is that the serial number of the rocket too?
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36777.msg1493825#msg1493825

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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #12 on: 02/28/2016 11:22 AM »
Wikipedia (german version)
says: Der nächste Satellit soll 2018 gestartet werden.
Both #1 and #2 were due last year (six months apart) with #3 being due in 2018.
I think the 2018 date for #3 is based on the first having launched in 2013 and lasting 5 years?

That's what I wondered!
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #13 on: 02/28/2016 07:30 PM »
Wikipedia not always up to date
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #14 on: 03/23/2016 04:24 PM »
Hmm..... could this be it? Air closure zones looks legit for a Soyzu rocket launch to SSO.  ::)

G1186 / 16 - AIRSPACE CLSD WI COORD: 661000N0371000E- 660000N0382000E-653000N0383000E- 653000N0373000E-661000N0371000E. SFC - UNL, DAILY 0940-1040, 24 MAR 09:40 2016 UNTIL 29 MAR 10:40 2016. CREATED: 20 MAR 15:15 2016

G1185 / 16 - ATS RTE SEGMENTS CLSD AS FLW: A222 KUMEL - LAGAT, B488 KROTA - LIMUS, B815 EVMUV - LIMUS, B816 ATKUP - LIMUS, G476 AKATI - KROTA. SFC - UNL, DAILY 0940-1040, 24 MAR 09:40 2016 UNTIL 29 MAR 10:40 2016. CREATED: 20 MAR 06:57 2016

G1184 / 16 - TEMPO DANGER AREA ACT WI COORDINATES: 705600N 0320400E-701000N 0334000E-695400N 0324000E- 700800N 0320400E-705600N 0320400E. SFC - UNL, DAILY 0940-1040, 24 MAR 09:40 2016 UNTIL 29 MAR 10:40 2016. CREATED: 20 MAR 06:41 2016
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #15 on: 03/23/2016 04:52 PM »
Hmm..... could this be it? Air closure zones looks legit for a Soyzu rocket launch to SSO.  ::)

G1186 / 16 - AIRSPACE CLSD WI COORD: 661000N0371000E- 660000N0382000E-653000N0383000E- 653000N0373000E-661000N0371000E. SFC - UNL, DAILY 0940-1040, 24 MAR 09:40 2016 UNTIL 29 MAR 10:40 2016. CREATED: 20 MAR 15:15 2016

G1185 / 16 - ATS RTE SEGMENTS CLSD AS FLW: A222 KUMEL - LAGAT, B488 KROTA - LIMUS, B815 EVMUV - LIMUS, B816 ATKUP - LIMUS, G476 AKATI - KROTA. SFC - UNL, DAILY 0940-1040, 24 MAR 09:40 2016 UNTIL 29 MAR 10:40 2016. CREATED: 20 MAR 06:57 2016

G1184 / 16 - TEMPO DANGER AREA ACT WI COORDINATES: 705600N 0320400E-701000N 0334000E-695400N 0324000E- 700800N 0320400E-705600N 0320400E. SFC - UNL, DAILY 0940-1040, 24 MAR 09:40 2016 UNTIL 29 MAR 10:40 2016. CREATED: 20 MAR 06:41 2016

I concur with that. Practically identical to the previous Bars-M

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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #17 on: 03/23/2016 06:16 PM »
I dream that the launch will be shown "live" online ............
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #18 on: 03/23/2016 06:24 PM »
I dream that the launch will be shown "live" online ............
I know but extremely unlikely.

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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #19 on: 03/23/2016 07:36 PM »
First Bars-M was launched 11:01:35.
The second ~10:00 if I understand correctly ? (Planned launch time)
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #20 on: 03/23/2016 07:55 PM »
First Bars-M was launched 11:01:35.
The second ~10:00 if I understand correctly ? (Planned launch time)
yes

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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #21 on: 03/23/2016 07:58 PM »
Since the second Bars-M was originally scheduled for launch in August 2015, I wonder why there has been a delay of seven months?   Maybe the August date was in case the first Bars-M had a failure and a second one was ready to launch at fairly short notice?

The new launch should be Cosmos 2515, unless the Russians have twiddled the Cosmos numbers again. ;)
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #22 on: 03/23/2016 08:10 PM »
Perhaps the error at the Progress M27M launch the reason ?

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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #23 on: 03/24/2016 04:47 AM »
http://izvestia.ru/news/607311/

That link says launch at 1 p.m. March 24 (10:00 UTC if my calculations are correct).  That's over four hours from now.
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #24 on: 03/24/2016 05:47 AM »
Perhaps the error at the Progress M27M launch the reason ?

That led to delays of about six weeks for the final launches in the Kobalt-M and Kvarts programmes, so I would have expected a similar delay to September 2015 for Bars-M #2 - pushing it to September-October 2015.
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #25 on: 03/24/2016 06:23 AM »
Flight path

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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #26 on: 03/24/2016 06:39 AM »
With reference to previous Bars-M lift-off time vs NOTAMed period, launch is possible from 0941 UTC

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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
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Bars-M 09:42 UT

Well that's the issue settled! The spacecraft separation time is given as 09:50:48 UTC.
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Liftoff confirmed per reports at NK!
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Re: Cosmos 25XX - Bars-M #2, Soyuz-2-1A, Plesetsk
« Reply #33 on: 03/24/2016 11:02 AM »
Notice in Anik’s serial numbers 76058161/31М135С listed under fairing 14С744. So is that the serial number of the rocket too?
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36777.msg1493825#msg1493825
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2 objects cataloged from this launch

2016-020A/41394 in 327 x 540 km x 97.65°
2016-020B/41395 in 327 x 542 km x 97.64°

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