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International Space Flight (ESA, Russia, China and others) => Russian Launchers - Soyuz, Progress and Uncrewed => Topic started by: Nicolas PILLET on 11/12/2013 04:40 pm
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I was told by a VERY reliable source that the launch of Soyuz-2.1v is scheduled on 12th December.
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Are the payloads at the cosmodrome already? What tests needs to be done before launch?
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time to bump this as it's not far off.
Any news, pics etc ?
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Does this means (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum13/topic9953/?PAGEN_1=189) that it is still on track for launch on Dec. 12?
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Does this means (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum13/topic9953/?PAGEN_1=189) that it is still on track for launch on Dec. 12?
yes date has not changed at this time.
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As per NK forum (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic9953/message1167052/#message1167052), roll out is scheduled to Dec 17th, and launch on Dec 23rd.
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I've gotten fuzzy on the details again, or exactly what changes have happened...is this launch powered by a refurbished NK-33 engine? Or is the first stage already using an RD-193?
And are they really trying to call it the Soyuz-1? Seems like that would be hard to pull off since it follows -2.1a, -2.1b. Maybe they should tack on digits, and make it the -2.1.3a. :)
Or take a page from Apple, and just call it "Soyuz" and let the poor confused masses struggle to come up with identification schemes, like "2013 edition" or codename "Kuznetsov's Revenge" or "Uni-Core."
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It uses refurbished NK-33.
The name of this launcher is Soyuz-2.1v. "V" is the third letter in Cyrillic alphabet, so it is quite logical since this launcher is the thirs version of the Soyuz-2.1.
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I've gotten fuzzy on the details again, or exactly what changes have happened...is this launch powered by a refurbished NK-33 engine? Or is the first stage already using an RD-193?
And are they really trying to call it the Soyuz-1? Seems like that would be hard to pull off since it follows -2.1a, -2.1b. Maybe they should tack on digits, and make it the -2.1.3a. :)
Or take a page from Apple, and just call it "Soyuz" and let the poor confused masses struggle to come up with identification schemes, like "2013 edition" or codename "Kuznetsov's Revenge" or "Uni-Core."
this thread will help with the history a bit: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=16617.0
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So this is the launch configuration of the three payloads.... http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1168098/#message1168098 (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1168098/#message1168098)
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So this is the launch configuration of the three payloads....
Yes, if you speak about the scheme at the right of the picture ! :-)
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As per NK forum, "Volga" upper stage is being fueled. Looks like it's actually going to fly :)
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As per NK forum (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic9953/message1167052/#message1167052), roll out is scheduled to Dec 17th, and launch on Dec 23rd.
Surprisingly quiet with just a week to go from Dec. 23......is the rocket still scheduled to roll out tomorrow? ???
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As per NK forum (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic9953/message1167052/#message1167052), roll out is scheduled to Dec 17th, and launch on Dec 23rd.
Surprisingly quiet with just a week to go from Dec. 23......is the rocket still scheduled to roll out tomorrow? ???
Hope the Russian government will open up the videos on this launch. Many of us have interest in it. ;)
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Rollout will be tomorrow. (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic9953/message1173576/#message1173576)
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On the launch Pad:
http://ria.ru/space/20131218/984844981.html (http://ria.ru/space/20131218/984844981.html)
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What's the planned target orbit? SSO?
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Found this on the NK forum site.
According to : http://aist.ssau.ru/docs/Космическая%20платформа%20АИСТ%202013%20г.pptx
It will be 575 km altitude and 64.9 inclination
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It will be 575 km altitude and 64.9 inclination
It is an orbit for the first Aist, which has flown with Bion-M.
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RUS LINK: http://samspace.ru/news/press_relizy/4217/ (http://samspace.ru/news/press_relizy/4217/)
ПОДРОБНО
Принято решение о проведении II этапа КИ с РКН «Союз-2-1в» на стартовый комплекс
18 декабря 2013
17 декабря 2013 года состоялось заседание Государственной комиссии о проведении II этапа КИ с РКН «Союз-2-1в» производства ГНПРКЦ «ЦСКБ-Прогресс» на стартовом комплексе.
На заседании были рассмотрены результаты испытаний на техническом комплексе ракеты космического назначения (РКН) «Союз-2-1в» с блоком выведения «Волга», предназначенной для выведения на орбиту малого космического аппарата «Аист» и калибровочных сфер.
Заслушав доклады руководителей работ, Государственная комиссия приняла решение о готовности РКН «Союз-2-1в» к вывозу на стартовый комплекс.
Для справки:
Двухступенчатая ракета-носитель легкого класса «Союз-2-1в» и блок выведения «Волга» разрабатываются и производятся в Центре «ЦСКБ-Прогресс» (г. Самара).
Новая ракета сможет обеспечивать выведение полезной нагрузки массой до 2,8 тонн на низкую околоземную орбиту, а с использованием БВ «Волга» – до 1,4 тонн на солнечно-синхронную орбиту. В запуске задействована большая кооперация российских промышленных предприятий и комплекс технических средств, расположенный на территории РФ.
Пусковая кампания РН с БВ «Волга» запланирована на 23 декабря 2013 года. Новый носитель выведет на орбиту калибровочные сферы и опытный образец малого космического аппарата «Аист», совместный проект ракетно-космического Центра и Самарского государственного аэрокосмического университета. Также лётные испытания включают в себя целый комплекс отработки всей системы эксплуатации: вопросы метрологии, экологической безопасности, электромагнитной совместимости систем РН, отработки эксплуатационной документации и др.
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En détail
Décidé de procéder à la phase II des essais avec ILV "Soyouz-2-1v" sur rampe de lancement
18 décembre 2013
17 décembre 2013 une réunion de la Commission d'État sur les essais cliniques de phase II avec ILV "Soyouz-2-1v" SRP de production "Samara Space Center" à l'ensemble de lancement.
La réunion a examiné les résultats des tests sur les missiles de l'installation de traitement (ILV) "Soyouz-2-1v" avec l'enlèvement de bloc "Volga", destinée à lancer en orbite un petit vaisseau spatial "Cigogne" et de mesurer les champs.
Après avoir entendu les rapports des superviseurs, la Commission d'État a décidé de préparation ILV "Soyouz-2-1v" à l'exportation vers la rampe de lancement.
Pour référence:
La fusée à deux étages de la classe lumière "Soyouz-2-1v" et le retrait du bloc «Volga» sont conçus et fabriqués dans le centre "TsSKB Progress» (Samara).
Le nouveau missile sera en mesure de fournir l'excrétion charge pesant jusqu'à 2,8 tonnes en orbite basse de la Terre, et en utilisant maladie de von Willebrand "Volga" - jusqu'à 1,4 tonnes de orbite héliosynchrone. Lors de son lancement en cause une grande coopération industrielle russe et complexe de matériel, situé sur le territoire de la Fédération de Russie.
Lanceur campagne RN avec BV «Volga» est prévue pour le 23 Décembre 2013. Le nouveau transporteur mettra en orbite sphère d'étalonnage et des prototypes de petits satellites "Cigogne", un projet conjoint de Rocket and Space Center et l'Université aérospatiale d'État de Samara. Les essais en vol comprennent également une exploitation minière complexe de l'ensemble du système: problèmes de métrologie, sécurité de l'environnement, la compatibilité électromagnétique de RN, la documentation opérationnelle de l'exploitation minière, etc
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DETAIL
Decided to conduct phase II trials with ILV "Soyuz-2-1v" on launch pad
18 December 2013
December 17, 2013 a meeting of the State Commission on phase II clinical trials with ILV "Soyuz-2-1v" production SRP "Samara Space Center" at the launch complex.
The meeting discussed the results of the tests at the processing facility missiles (ILV) "Soyuz-2-1v" with block removal "Volga", intended for launching into orbit a small spacecraft "Stork" and gauge fields.
After hearing reports of supervisors, the State Commission decided readiness ILV "Soyuz-2-1v" for export to the launch pad.
For reference:
The two-stage rocket of light class "Soyuz-2-1v" and block removal "Volga" are designed and manufactured in the Center "TsSKB Progress" (Samara).
The new missile will be able to provide excretion payload weighing up to 2.8 tonnes into low Earth orbit, and using VWD "Volga" - up to 1.4 tonnes of sun-synchronous orbit. At launch involved a large Russian industrial cooperation and hardware complex, located on the territory of the Russian Federation.
Launcher campaign RN with BV "Volga" is scheduled for December 23, 2013. The new carrier will orbit calibration sphere and prototype small spacecraft "Stork", a joint project of Rocket and Space Center and Samara State Aerospace University. Flight tests also include a complex mining operation of the entire system: metrology issues, environmental safety, electromagnetic compatibility of RN, mining operational documentation, etc.
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Some informations received today :
Soyuz-2-1V tests on launch pad were successfully performed today. They will
be continued tomorrow. There will be test fuelling of Soyuz-2-1V tanks by
liquid oxygen on Saturday. The launch is planned at 12:30 UTC on December
23rd.
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Too bad we're not likely to get pictures after the scandal with the French dude taking pics of the mobile lift during the fit checks a year ago.
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Too bad we're not likely to get pictures after the scandal with the French dude taking pics of the mobile lift during the fit checks a year ago.
Yes, very bad......This should be a moment of "pride" for Russian Space.
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Too bad we're not likely to get pictures after the scandal with the French dude taking pics of the mobile lift during the fit checks a year ago.
yeah I received an email reply from an email I sent on Monday to samspace.ru saying only approved media can request pictures and video only after a successful launch has occurred.
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May this be Notam for this launch?
V8170/13 - FLW DANGER AREAS ACT: ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, DAILY 1200-1300, 23 DEC 12:00 2013 UNTIL 27 DEC 13:00 2013. CREATED: 19 DEC 05:26 2013
DANGER AREAS ULD1
701300N 0450000E – 700000N 0474000E 690000N 0442000E – 701300N 0450000E
– 684000N 0462000E
ULD2
732000N 0500000E – 725000N 0520000E 714000N 0470000E – 732000N 0500000E
– 711000N 0492000E – UNL GND
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May this be Notam for this launch?
V8170/13 - FLW DANGER AREAS ACT: ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, DAILY 1200-1300, 23 DEC 12:00 2013 UNTIL 27 DEC 13:00 2013. CREATED: 19 DEC 05:26 2013
DANGER AREAS ULD1
701300N 0450000E – 700000N 0474000E 690000N 0442000E – 701300N 0450000E
– 684000N 0462000E
ULD2
732000N 0500000E – 725000N 0520000E 714000N 0470000E – 732000N 0500000E
– 711000N 0492000E – UNL GND
I think that it may cover both of the following Russian Launches from Plesetsk Cosmodrome as the start date and end date cover both launches:
December 23 2013 – two calibration spheres SKRL-756, Aist No. 1 – Soyuz-2-1V/Volga – Plesetsk 43/4
December 25 2013 – Rodnik satellites (x3) – Rokot/Briz-KM – Plesetsk 133/3
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Map to visualize drop zones ULD1 and ULD2
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Map to visualize drop zones ULD1 and ULD2
So it seems the target orbit is not SSO, but something 70-85 deg. inclination-ish?
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Map to visualize drop zones ULD1 and ULD2
So it seems the target orbit is not SSO, but something 70-85 deg. inclination-ish?
According to: http://aist.ssau.ru/docs/Космическая%20платформа%20АИСТ%202013%20г.pptx
It will be 575 km altitude and 64.9 inclination, which is same as orbit for the first Aist, which has flown with Bion-M.
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According to: http://aist.ssau.ru/docs/Космическая%20платформа%20АИСТ%202013%20г.pptx
It will be 575 km altitude and 64.9 inclination, which is same as orbit for the first Aist, which has flown with Bion-M.
Found this on the NK forum site.
According to : http://aist.ssau.ru/docs/Космическая%20платформа%20АИСТ%202013%20г.pptx
It will be 575 km altitude and 64.9 inclination
It will be 575 km altitude and 64.9 inclination
It is an orbit for the first Aist, which has flown with Bion-M.
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I've just been told that they have problems during launch preparation, but the launch is still scheduled for 23rd December.
No more informations right now, sorry.
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Andrey is reporting on NK (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1175702/#message1175702) that the launch has slipped to December 25 at the same launch time. Now with a Rokot launch scheduled just half a day earlier can those at Plesetsk pull out two launches in 12 hours? After all it's no Baikonur where rockets are dozens of kilometers apart.... ::)
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See the Zak site: http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz1_lv_aist.html
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Andrey is reporting on NK (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1175702/#message1175702) that the launch has slipped to December 25 at the same launch time. Now with a Rokot launch scheduled just half a day earlier can those at Plesetsk pull out two launches in 12 hours? After all it's no Baikonur where rockets are dozens of kilometers apart.... ::)
Well they used to do that all the time during Soviet times, so shouldn't be a problem.
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Andrey is reporting on NK (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1175702/#message1175702) that the launch has slipped to December 25 at the same launch time. Now with a Rokot launch scheduled just half a day earlier can those at Plesetsk pull out two launches in 12 hours? After all it's no Baikonur where rockets are dozens of kilometers apart.... ::)
Or is that December 24? http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1176024/#message1176024 (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1176024/#message1176024)
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New launch date December 24 confirmed
V8247/13 - DANGER AREAS ACT: ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, DAILY 1200-1300, 24 DEC 12:00 2013 UNTIL 27 DEC 13:00 2013. CREATED: 22 DEC 11:01 2013
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Wonder if this NOTAM for "space debris" over South Pacific later on December 24 is related to this launch
B5916/13 - TEMPO DANGER AREA NZD026 (EAST AUCKLAND OCEANIC FIR) IS PRESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: ALL THAT AIRSPACE BOUNDED BY A LINE JOINING S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 ACTIVITY: SPACE DEBRIS RETURN. USER AGENCY: FOREIGN SPACE AGENCY. PRESCRIBED PURSUANT TO CIVIL AVIATION RULE PART 71 UNDER A DELEGATED AUTHORITY ISSUED BY THE DIRECTOR OF CIVIL AVIATION. SFC - FL999, 24 DEC 20:00 2013 UNTIL 24 DEC 22:30 2013. CREATED: 22 DEC 12:11 2013
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I'm looking at this as a new rocket, since it uses a new first stage and first stage propulsion system. It surely isn't an R-7. It is "Soyuz" only in the same sense that "Atlas 5" claims a link to the original "Atlas", despite using a completely different booster stage in place of the part that was originally called "Atlas".
- Ed Kyle
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http://www.interfax.ru/news/348266
The launch is postponed to December 24th.
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I'm looking at this as a new rocket, since it uses a new first stage and first stage propulsion system. It surely isn't an R-7. It is "Soyuz" only in the same sense that "Atlas 5" claims a link to the original "Atlas", despite using a completely different booster stage in place of the part that was originally called "Atlas".
- Ed Kyle
I'm wavering on this one. I go with the core stage, and the core stage has some commonalities. New engine, true,
but the basic dimensions are essentially the same as the R-7 Blok A. I didn't count an RD-180-engined Atlas 3 as a
new family despite its new propulsion system, and I didn't consider the TR-201-powered Delta second stage
as a different stage family from the AJ-10-118 powered versions. So I'm leaning towards keeping the Soyuz-2-1V launches
in my 'R-7' family table.
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I'm wavering on this one. I go with the core stage, and the core stage has some commonalities. New engine, true,
but the basic dimensions are essentially the same as the R-7 Blok A. I didn't count an RD-180-engined Atlas 3 as a
new family despite its new propulsion system, and I didn't consider the TR-201-powered Delta second stage
as a different stage family from the AJ-10-118 powered versions. So I'm leaning towards keeping the Soyuz-2-1V launches
in my 'R-7' family table.
Good point about Atlas III. That may be the proper analogy. In addition, Soyuz 2-1v, like Atlas III, still uses the same launch pads (with modifications) as the previous variants.
- Ed Kyle
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Good point about Atlas III. That may be the proper analogy. In addition, Soyuz 2-1v, like Atlas III, still uses the same launch pads (with modifications) as the previous variants.
That's like saying all aircraft that use the same runway are Boeing 7x7s! :-) The 2.1v core is quite different from the R-7 core (aside from the attach points), so along with the "new" engine, I consider it to be a new launch vehicle as well.
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I'm wavering on this one. I go with the core stage, and the core stage has some commonalities. New engine, true,
but the basic dimensions are essentially the same as the R-7 Blok A. I didn't count an RD-180-engined Atlas 3 as a
new family despite its new propulsion system, and I didn't consider the TR-201-powered Delta second stage
as a different stage family from the AJ-10-118 powered versions. So I'm leaning towards keeping the Soyuz-2-1V launches
in my 'R-7' family table.
Good point about Atlas III. That may be the proper analogy. In addition, Soyuz 2-1v, like Atlas III, still uses the same launch pads (with modifications) as the previous variants.
- Ed Kyle
Thor changed shape and engines, and electronics?
And TsSKB Progress state 80% commonality with the central blok-A; see L2 (thanks to Mr. Pillet).
Should these discussions be in the generic Soyuz-2-1V thread?
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I'm looking at this as a new rocket, since it uses a new first stage and first stage propulsion system. It surely isn't an R-7. It is "Soyuz" only in the same sense that "Atlas 5" claims a link to the original "Atlas", despite using a completely different booster stage in place of the part that was originally called "Atlas".
- Ed Kyle
I'm wavering on this one. I go with the core stage, and the core stage has some commonalities. New engine, true,
but the basic dimensions are essentially the same as the R-7 Blok A. I didn't count an RD-180-engined Atlas 3 as a
new family despite its new propulsion system, and I didn't consider the TR-201-powered Delta second stage
as a different stage family from the AJ-10-118 powered versions. So I'm leaning towards keeping the Soyuz-2-1V launches
in my 'R-7' family table.
I am also not yet decided about this issue. Similar to the Atlas family including the Atlas III and the Thor family also including the Deltas up to version III, i am also leaning to classify it within the R-7 family.
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I'm looking at this as a new rocket, since it uses a new first stage and first stage propulsion system. It surely isn't an R-7. It is "Soyuz" only in the same sense that "Atlas 5" claims a link to the original "Atlas", despite using a completely different booster stage in place of the part that was originally called "Atlas".
- Ed Kyle
I'm wavering on this one. I go with the core stage, and the core stage has some commonalities. New engine, true,
but the basic dimensions are essentially the same as the R-7 Blok A. I didn't count an RD-180-engined Atlas 3 as a
new family despite its new propulsion system, and I didn't consider the TR-201-powered Delta second stage
as a different stage family from the AJ-10-118 powered versions. So I'm leaning towards keeping the Soyuz-2-1V launches
in my 'R-7' family table.
I am also not yet decided about this issue. Similar to the Atlas family including the Atlas III and the Thor family also including the Deltas up to version III, i am also leaning to classify it within the R-7 family.
And do you consider Ariane 5 to be an Ariane rocket ? :-)
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I'm looking at this as a new rocket, since it uses a new first stage and first stage propulsion system. It surely isn't an R-7. It is "Soyuz" only in the same sense that "Atlas 5" claims a link to the original "Atlas", despite using a completely different booster stage in place of the part that was originally called "Atlas".
- Ed Kyle
I'm wavering on this one. I go with the core stage, and the core stage has some commonalities. New engine, true,
but the basic dimensions are essentially the same as the R-7 Blok A. I didn't count an RD-180-engined Atlas 3 as a
new family despite its new propulsion system, and I didn't consider the TR-201-powered Delta second stage
as a different stage family from the AJ-10-118 powered versions. So I'm leaning towards keeping the Soyuz-2-1V launches
in my 'R-7' family table.
I am also not yet decided about this issue. Similar to the Atlas family including the Atlas III and the Thor family also including the Deltas up to version III, i am also leaning to classify it within the R-7 family.
And do you consider Ariane 5 to be an Ariane rocket ? :-)
Ariane is a different case, as the Ariane-5 rocket (as built) has practically nothing in common with the Ariane-1 to-4 series. Therfore i classify these as two families.
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This may be a long shot, but does anyone here have the launch time line for tomorrow's launch? How many burns will the Volga upper stage do?
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Only the upper, LOX tank portion of the first stage existed before Soyuz 2-1v development began, FWIW.
- Ed Kyle
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This may be a long shot, but does anyone here have the launch time line for tomorrow's launch? How many burns will the Volga upper stage do?
It is a top secret Russian military space launch by a top secret Soyuz-2-1V rocket with a top secret Volga upper stage and a top secret SKRL-756 calibration spheres and a top secret Aist satellite from a top secret launch pad 43/4 of a top secret Plesetsk cosmodrome with especially a top secret launch timeline and especially a top secret quantity of burns.
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This may be a long shot, but does anyone here have the launch time line for tomorrow's launch? How many burns will the Volga upper stage do?
It is a top secret Russian military space launch by a top secret Soyuz-2-1V rocket with a top secret Volga upper stage and a top secret SKRL-756 calibration spheres and a top secret Aist satellite from a top secret launch pad 43/4 of a top secret Plesetsk cosmodrome with especially a top secret launch timeline and especially a top secret quantity of burns.
Best quote I have seen this month! ;D
I know that TsSKB-Progress has been negotiating with SSTL and the Koreans for launching commercial payloads on the S-2.1v - who will then provide the launch services? (Starsem? New company?)
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This may be a long shot, but does anyone here have the launch time line for tomorrow's launch? How many burns will the Volga upper stage do?
It is a top secret Russian military space launch by a top secret Soyuz-2-1V rocket with a top secret Volga upper stage and a top secret SKRL-756 calibration spheres and a top secret Aist satellite from a top secret launch pad 43/4 of a top secret Plesetsk cosmodrome with especially a top secret launch timeline and especially a top secret quantity of burns.
Best quote I have seen this month! ;D
I know that TsSKB-Progress has been negotiating with SSTL and the Koreans for launching commercial payloads on the S-2.1v - who will then provide the launch services? (Starsem? New company?)
The rocket itself is not so top secret; plenty of evidence exists from Russian Government and TsSKB-Progress procurements, NOTAMS… So then the payload, does it reflect the shape and size of a future Russian Military satellite?
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I know that TsSKB-Progress has been negotiating with SSTL and the Koreans for launching commercial payloads on the S-2.1v - who will then provide the launch services? (Starsem? New company?)
STARSEM has nothing to do with Soyuz-2.1v.
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This may be a long shot, but does anyone here have the launch time line for tomorrow's launch? How many burns will the Volga upper stage do?
It is a top secret Russian military space launch by a top secret Soyuz-2-1V rocket with a top secret Volga upper stage and a top secret SKRL-756 calibration spheres and a top secret Aist satellite from a top secret launch pad 43/4 of a top secret Plesetsk cosmodrome with especially a top secret launch timeline and especially a top secret quantity of burns.
Sorry to hear the Russian thinking is going back to 1950's-1970's thinking. Note to Russian military these type of secrets are no longer possible in the internet age.
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This may be a long shot, but does anyone here have the launch time line for tomorrow's launch? How many burns will the Volga upper stage do?
It is a top secret Russian military space launch by a top secret Soyuz-2-1V rocket with a top secret Volga upper stage and a top secret SKRL-756 calibration spheres and a top secret Aist satellite from a top secret launch pad 43/4 of a top secret Plesetsk cosmodrome with especially a top secret launch timeline and especially a top secret quantity of burns.
So no tweetup event? ;)
Three payloads: Two SKRL-756 calibration spheres and the Aist satellite as the main payload? Just working out how to represent the launch (usually the rocket and the primary payload).
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This may be a long shot, but does anyone here have the launch time line for tomorrow's launch? How many burns will the Volga upper stage do?
It is a top secret Russian military space launch by a top secret Soyuz-2-1V rocket with a top secret Volga upper stage and a top secret SKRL-756 calibration spheres and a top secret Aist satellite from a top secret launch pad 43/4 of a top secret Plesetsk cosmodrome with especially a top secret launch timeline and especially a top secret quantity of burns.
So no tweetup event? ;)
Three payloads: Two SKRL-756 calibration spheres and the Aist satellite as the main payload? Just working out how to represent the launch (usually the rocket and the primary payload).
The performance of the Volga upperstage is also important; part of future satellites?
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This may be a long shot, but does anyone here have the launch time line for tomorrow's launch? How many burns will the Volga upper stage do?
It is a top secret Russian military space launch by a top secret Soyuz-2-1V rocket with a top secret Volga upper stage and a top secret SKRL-756 calibration spheres and a top secret Aist satellite from a top secret launch pad 43/4 of a top secret Plesetsk cosmodrome with especially a top secret launch timeline and especially a top secret quantity of burns.
So no tweetup event? ;)
Three payloads: Two SKRL-756 calibration spheres and the Aist satellite as the main payload? Just working out how to represent the launch (usually the rocket and the primary payload).
only a limited party thread for this new launcher :D
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Ok, I've used a lot of a 2012 preview written for NSF by Nathaniel Downes and added a bit more. I know we have a lot of experts on here, so any updated changes can be PMed to me if required.
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/12/russia-debut-soyuz-2-1v-plesetsk/
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According to Vlad (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1177653/#message1177653), the launch is planned at 14:00 UTC on December 24.
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Here's a Russian news report about the upcoming launch today, with the rocket on the launch pad: http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=563694 (http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=563694)
Interestingly it claims a launch time of 10:30 UTC...... seeing that the NOTAMs that are still in effect are of the 12:00-13:00 UTC time range, I think the correct launch time is still 12:30 UTC.
Oh and the air space closures seems to indicate a target orbit inclination of 82 degrees..... ::)
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I've just been told that the launch is delayed to 25th December 2013, 16:30 local time.
People at Plesetsk worked on the launch pad until 04:00 last night. They need to rest.
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I've just been told that the launch is delayed to 25th December 2013, 16:30 local time.
People at Plesetsk worked on the launch pad until 04:00 last night. They need to rest.
Hmm that means two launches in 12 hours on Christmas Day from Plesetsk! ;)
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New launch date to be confirmed this afternoonn
http://www.interfax.ru/news/?dt=24.12.2013
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WOW :o 8)
Source - http://www.redstar.ru/index.php/component/k2/item/13461-novaya-raketa-na-starte
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The one day slip is due to LOX leakage on the ground side: http://www.interfax.ru/news/348633 (http://www.interfax.ru/news/348633)
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I've just been told that the launch is delayed to 25th December 2013, 16:30 local time.
People at Plesetsk worked on the launch pad until 04:00 last night. They need to rest.
Hmm that means two launches in 12 hours on Christmas Day from Plesetsk! ;)
A bit inconsiderate for my Christmas Day plans! ;)
Nearly missed the slip, so if it moves again, if someone can PM me, that'd be appreciated!
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If tests are positive, launch will take place to-morrow at 1230UTC
http://ria.ru/space/20131224/986209685.html
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Wonder if this NOTAM for "space debris" over South Pacific later on December 24 is related to this launch
B5916/13 - TEMPO DANGER AREA NZD026 (EAST AUCKLAND OCEANIC FIR) IS PRESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: ALL THAT AIRSPACE BOUNDED BY A LINE JOINING S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 ACTIVITY: SPACE DEBRIS RETURN. USER AGENCY: FOREIGN SPACE AGENCY. PRESCRIBED PURSUANT TO CIVIL AVIATION RULE PART 71 UNDER A DELEGATED AUTHORITY ISSUED BY THE DIRECTOR OF CIVIL AVIATION. SFC - FL999, 24 DEC 20:00 2013 UNTIL 24 DEC 22:30 2013. CREATED: 22 DEC 12:11 2013
Does seem related to this launch; it's just been updated
B5947/13 - TEMPO DANGER AREA NZD026 (EAST AUCKLAND OCEANIC FIR) IS PRESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: ALL THAT AIRSPACE BOUNDED BY A LINE JOINING S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 ACTIVITY: SPACE DEBRIS RETURN. USER AGENCY: FOREIGN SPACE AGENCY. PRESCRIBED PURSUANT TO CIVIL AVIATION RULE PART 71 UNDER A DELEGATED AUTHORITY ISSUED BY THE DIRECTOR OF CIVIL AVIATION. SFC - FL999, 25 DEC 20:00 2013 UNTIL 25 DEC 22:30 2013. CREATED: 24 DEC 15:11 2013
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If tests are positive, launch will take place to-morrow at 1230UTC
http://ria.ru/space/20131224/986209685.html
Launch time confirmed by Russian MoD spokesperson: http://ria.ru/space/20131224/986209685.html (http://ria.ru/space/20131224/986209685.html)
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The one day slip is due to LOX leakage on the ground side: http://www.interfax.ru/news/348633 (http://www.interfax.ru/news/348633)
The NK-33 engine has waited 40 years for launch, it can wait one more day.
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How much the Soyuz-2-1v weigh when fully fueled?
It looks bigger than Antares, yet it has only one engine at liftoff while Antares requires two engines?
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How much the Soyuz-2-1v weigh when fully fueled?
It looks bigger than Antares, yet it has only one engine at liftoff while Antares requires two engines?
It can't be much more than 135 tons or so.
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Well I've found it ;) Its 160 tons as per http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz1_lv_development.html (http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz1_lv_development.html)
While Antares is ~240 tons as per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antares_(rocket) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antares_(rocket))
So it makes sense now. :)
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How much the Soyuz-2-1v weigh when fully fueled?
It looks bigger than Antares, yet it has only one engine at liftoff while Antares requires two engines?
The Soyuz 2-1v first stage looks to be roughly the same length as the Antares first stage, but is only 2.66/2.95 meters diameter compared to 3.9 meter diameter Antares. Also, the single NK-33A engine thrust is substantially augmented by the thrust produced by the four-nozzle steering engine, so it is not a 50% less thrust situation.
- Ed Kyle
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Why do they need a steering engine? Does the NK-33 not gimbal but AJ-26 does?
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Why do they need a steering engine? Does the NK-33 not gimbal but AJ-26 does?
The NK-33 does not gimbal as produced in 1973.
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Why do they need a steering engine? Does the NK-33 not gimbal but AJ-26 does?
The NK-33 does not gimbal as produced in 1973.
As I understand it, engine gimbal and electronics are the special sauce Aerojet adds to make an AJ-26 out of an NK-33. So, yes. :)
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""Given the positive results of pad tests and favorable weather conditions launch is possible on December 25 at 16 hours and 30 minutes,"
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/348760 (http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/348760)"
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Launch slightly delayed. It will happen today at 14:00 UTC.
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/348803
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Updated NOTAM
V8353/13 - DANGER AREAS ACT: ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, DAILY 1200-1600, 25 DEC 12:00 2013 UNTIL 27 DEC 16:00 2013. CREATED: 25 DEC 10:06 2013
and tentatively for Volga
B5949/13 - TEMPO DANGER AREA NZD026 (EAST AUCKLAND OCEANIC FIR) IS PRESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: ALL THAT AIRSPACE BOUNDED BY A LINE JOINING S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 ACTIVITY: SPACE DEBRIS RETURN. USER AGENCY: FOREIGN SPACE AGENCY. PRESCRIBED PURSUANT TO CIVIL AVIATION RULE PART 71 UNDER A DELEGATED AUTHORITY ISSUED BY THE DIRECTOR OF CIVIL AVIATION. SFC - FL999, 25 DEC 20:00 2013 UNTIL 26 DEC 01:30 2013. CREATED: 25 DEC 09:57 2013
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I've been told two minutes ago that the launch is delayed again.
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Delayed till next year.
http://ria.ru/space/20131225/986436066.html
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The decision to interrupt the launch sequence was taken just 10 minutes before the planned launch time
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/348922
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Delayed till next year.
http://ria.ru/space/20131225/986436066.html
>:(
So what's the latest news? Would they reattempt in January or would the rocket be shipped back to Samara?
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Why do they need a steering engine? Does the NK-33 not gimbal but AJ-26 does?
The NK-33 does not gimbal as produced in 1973.
Then how was the N1 supposed to maneuver? ???
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Why do they need a steering engine? Does the NK-33 not gimbal but AJ-26 does?
The NK-33 does not gimbal as produced in 1973.
Then how was the N1 supposed to maneuver? ???
Differential throttling, presumably. (Although the N1 never flew with NK-33)
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It is a pity :( :'( ...
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The decision will be made today at 12:00 UTC about launch this year (27-28, 12:00) or a postponing to next year.
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Thanks Anik, any news on the issue of yesterday ?
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As per NK forum, the problem was with pneumatic-hydraulic system of Rocket minutes before launch.
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Thanks
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According to my informations, launch scrub was due to failure of a valve in engine NK-33A. Probably the valve was frozen due to propellant drain.
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Thanks Nicolas, any news on the launch decision ?
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Seems to be GO for launch tomorrow! (launch time not yet known) http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum12/topic12873/?PAGEN_1=24 (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum12/topic12873/?PAGEN_1=24)
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New launch attempt confirmed for tomorrow at 12:30 UTC! (back-up time 14:00 UTC)
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179016/#message1179016 (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179016/#message1179016)
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This is all over the place. Can someone make sure they send me a message when these dates change!
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New launch attempt confirmed for tomorrow at 12:30 UTC! (back-up time 14:00 UTC)
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179016/#message1179016
Excellent! We'll be waiting :) !
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Oops... http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179044/#message1179044
The information is incorrect :-\...
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The launch will not take place tomorrow :(.
"100% correct information"
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179050/#message1179050
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Well, NOTAMs are in place for tentative launch date December 27 or December 28..
V8389/13 - FLW DANGER AREAS ACT: ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, 27 DEC 12:00 2013 UNTIL 27 DEC 16:00 2013. CREATED: 26 DEC 11:41 2013
V8406/13 - FLW DANGER AREAS ACT: ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, 28 DEC 12:00 2013 UNTIL 28 DEC 16:00 2013. CREATED: 26 DEC 15:31 2013
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Don't you long for the old Soviet era when you got only one announcement which was either definitively right or definitively wrong, rather than lots of contradictory reports? ;-)
Merry Christmas and put your feet up Chris!
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Well, NOTAMs are in place for tentative launch date December 27 or December 28..
V8389/13 - FLW DANGER AREAS ACT: ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, 27 DEC 12:00 2013 UNTIL 27 DEC 16:00 2013. CREATED: 26 DEC 11:41 2013
V8406/13 - FLW DANGER AREAS ACT: ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, 28 DEC 12:00 2013 UNTIL 28 DEC 16:00 2013. CREATED: 26 DEC 15:31 2013
Indeed it seems that the next launch attempt is on Dec. 28! http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179061/#message1179061 (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179061/#message1179061)
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Heh! Saturday then! Changed the thread title.
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Don't you long for the old Soviet era when you got only one announcement which was either definitively right or definitively wrong, rather than lots of contradictory reports? ;-)
Merry Christmas and put your feet up Chris!
From reading NK, it looks like this whole project is being done by young generation of designers who didn't have much in a way of experience, so they're learning in the process. In that case, it's totally expected that there will be delays, verifications and another verifications after first ones.
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Where is the outrage from certain forum members about workers forced to work through the holidays? ;)
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Where is the outrage from certain forum members about workers forced to work through the holidays? ;)
The holidays begin January 1 in Russia.
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Where is the outrage from certain forum members about workers forced to work through the holidays? ;)
Didn't hear anyone complaining about the spacewalk on Christmas either.
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V8416/13 - FLW DANGER AREAS ACT: ULD1, ULD2. SFC - UNL, DAILY 0700-1500, 28 DEC 07:00 2013 UNTIL 29 DEC 15:00 2013. CREATED: 27 DEC 06:50 2013
Volga debris?
B5957/13 - TEMPO DANGER AREA NZD026 (EAST AUCKLAND OCEANIC FIR) IS PRESCRIBED AS FOLLOWS: ALL THAT AIRSPACE BOUNDED BY A LINE JOINING S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 175 00 00.0 S 60 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 S 30 00 00.0, W 131 00 00.0 ACTIVITY: SPACE DEBRIS RETURN. USER AGENCY: FOREIGN SPACE AGENCY. PRESCRIBED PURSUANT TO CIVIL AVIATION RULE PART 71 UNDER A DELEGATED AUTHORITY ISSUED BY THE DIRECTOR OF CIVIL AVIATION. SFC - FL999, 28 DEC 15:00 2013 UNTIL 29 DEC 00:30 2013. CREATED: 27 DEC 04:24 2013
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"According to preliminary plans, launch scheduled for Saturday"
source (http://kommersant.ru/doc/2377914): federal space agency
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Getting close to launch, any updates ?
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The launch is planned at 10:00 UTC on December 28.
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179502/#message1179502
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Thanks for the update
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Video about preparation :
http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=563751
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now we are talking ...
a few quick screen grabs.
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Launch expected to-day "in the afternoon" (LT)
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/349428
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The state commission approved the launch at UTC10:00 today.
http://ria.ru/space/20131228/986988735.html
http://www.federalspace.ru/20089/
Fueling started.
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I am told that everything is normal for now. Launch within 20 minutes.
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Launch delayed.
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Launch delayed.
Any calls of a recycling for another attempt today?
This must be the Russian launch with the most scrubs since the first orbital Soyuz-2 (MetOp-A).... ::)
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Launch delayed.
Any calls of a recycling for another attempt today?
This must be the Russian launch with the most scrubs since the first orbital Soyuz-2 (MetOp-A).... ::)
Apparently if the crew decided to de-tank then this rocket would need to be sent back to the factory for refurbishment - ironic since this rocket was once originally slated to be the second one to fly....
(and back in 2006 the one used in the MetOp-A launch very nearly requires such refurbishment due to repeat scrubs)
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New attempt at 18:00 local time.
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Launch delayed is confirmed :( ... Delayed till next year.
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/349454
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"Likely to be postponed to next year"
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/349454
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New attempt at 18:00 local time.
Oh, thanks Nicolas :) !
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"Likely to be postponed to next year"
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/349454
My source has different informations (new attempt today at 18:00).
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"Likely to be postponed to next year"
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/349454
My source has different informations (new attempt today at 18:00).
Looks like there's pressure from Moscow to launch it this year.
I fear the worse! :(
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The launch is postponed to next year...
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/349457
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1179950/#message1179950
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"Likely to be postponed to next year"
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/news/349454
My source has different informations (new attempt today at 18:00).
That's 18:00 local, 14:00 UTC, yes?
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Lets wait, one source has 18:00 local, one says next year :)
P.S
On the Metop-A, I was part of the launch team, you should have seen the board at the hotel for the duty schedule.... 6 attempts if I remember right.
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Next attempt at 12:30 UTC (within 30 minutes) !
Everything is normal, now.
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So...did it get off the pad or not?
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Next attempt at 12:30 UTC (within 30 minutes) !
Everything is normal, now.
Next thing we'll hear is it launched three weeks ago! ;)
So that's T-0 now..............let's see.....
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We have liftoff !!!!!!!!
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We have liftoff !!!!!!!!
YES!!
Great work Nicolas! Now hear of her being successful!
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We have liftoff !!!!!!!!
Hello Nicolas,
please, where You take this information.
Thanks,
Jirka Dlouhy
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please, where You takes this information
Rocket sends signals to him!
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Do we know (apologies if it's posted) how long the mission is to S/C Sep? (I know it's a super secret launch, but worth asking to get to a "successful mission" point).
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Lift-off confirmed
http://www.interfax.ru/news/349470
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The Volga upper stage has separated ! Everything is fine. Payload separation should occur within about 1,5 hour.
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Time of lift-off confirmed : 1230 UTC
http://itar-tass.com/nauka/863098
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Lift-off confirmed
http://www.interfax.ru/news/349470
Excellent google translation:
"a touch of class" :)
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The Volga upper stage has separated ! Everything is fine. Payload separation should occur within about 1,5 hour.
Tremendous! A new LV is born!
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The Volga upper stage has separated ! Everything is fine. Payload separation should occur within about 1,5 hour.
Volga will soon after be deorbited and reenter over South Pacific (source: NOTAM)
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1810th launch of a Soyuz-class rocket !
http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lanceurs/soyouz/liste/liste.html
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RIA-Novosti confirmed it too.
http://ria.ru/space/20131228/987011525.html
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1810th launch of a Soyuz-class rocket !
Well technically this one is not of a Soyuz-class (Soyuz-class being medium-lift). it would be more apropriate to say it's from Soyuz-family.
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Volga/rocket separation confirmed by Tass
http://itar-tass.com/nauka/863061
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2nd stage to remain in orbit...
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1174278&1174278 (http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1174278&1174278)
(beware of Google translation for "через полтора часа" ;D )
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(beware of Google translation for "через полтора часа" ;D )
from my experience... microsoft (bing) translator usually gives better results than google translator
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(beware of Google translation for "через полтора часа" ;D )
from my experience... microsoft (bing) translator usually gives better results than google translator
Thanks!
Confirmed for this case!
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Press release from Russian MoD
http://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=11883242@egNews
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Any photos?
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Any photos?
Not yet, although several news organizations put out photo's of other launches and other rockets even....
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Aist sep.
launch successful
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AIST sep confirmed
http://ria.ru/space/20131228/987028015.html (http://ria.ru/space/20131228/987028015.html)
http://itar-tass.com/nauka/863220
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Spacecraft separation took place at 1410UTC
http://www.federalspace.ru/20090/
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Total success! Two different rockets powered by legendary NK-33's made its' way to space! That's the best present for the holidays' season for space geeks!
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Выпьем же! Cheers! Kanpai!
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Super news!
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Congratulations, nicely done !
and now
nazdarovya :)
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First orbit parameters! (presumably from the transfer orbit before the circulation burn)
259 x 595 km x 82.43 deg. at epoch 14:34 UTC.
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Выпьем же! Cheers! Kanpai!
Yes! :D
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My congratulations 8) !!! Hurrah!
Выпьем же! Cheers! Kanpai!
Huh :D ...
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Congrats ;) and welcome to the NK-33 launcher club !
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First orbit parameters! (presumably from the transfer orbit before the circulation burn)
259 x 595 km x 82.43 deg. at epoch 14:34 UTC.
This is presumably the 14S54 third stage (is that the right designation? The Blok-I, anyway).
Transfer orbit apogee was at 1325 UTC over the Antarctic; presumably the Volga burn began around that time.
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This is presumably the 14S54 third stage (is that the right designation? The Blok-I, anyway).
Transfer orbit apogee was at 1325 UTC over the Antarctic; presumably the Volga burn began around that time.
That would be the "second stage" for this LV.
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This is presumably the 14S54 third stage (is that the right designation? The Blok-I, anyway).
Transfer orbit apogee was at 1325 UTC over the Antarctic; presumably the Volga burn began around that time.
Soyuz-2.1v is a two stages launcher :
- Bloc A (14S55)
- Bloc I (14S54)
It carries also an upper stage :
- Volga (14S46)
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This is presumably the 14S54 third stage (is that the right designation? The Blok-I, anyway).
Transfer orbit apogee was at 1325 UTC over the Antarctic; presumably the Volga burn began around that time.
Soyuz-2.1v is a two stages launcher :
- Bloc A (14S55)
- Bloc I (14S54)
It carries also an upper stage :
- Volga (14S46)
Yes, second stage. I meant to say second stage. Hard habit to break, thinking of the Blok I as third stage all these years!
I've also seen '132KS' for the first stage? (maybe from Anatoly Zak?)
By the way it looks like catalog 39490 to 39494 have been reserved for 2013-78A to 78E, which
will be Aist, two spheres, the Blok I stage, and the Volga stage with attached adapter.
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Congratulations. When can we expect see any pictures or video of the launch?
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By the way it looks like catalog 39490 to 39494 have been reserved for 2013-78A to 78E, which
will be Aist, two spheres, the Blok I stage, and the Volga stage with attached adapter.
Wonder if they will catalog Volga which is supposed to re-enter over the South Pacific within a few hours (if that did not already happen)
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Congratulations. When can we expect see any pictures or video of the launch?
Soon, somewhere here:
http://tvzvezda.ru/
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When can we expect see any pictures or video of the launch?
Maybe on the Russian TV channel "Zvezda" - tvzvezda.ru ;) .
upd
Soon, somewhere here:
http://tvzvezda.ru/ (http://tvzvezda.ru/)
Oh, yes :) .
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This is presumably the 14S54 third stage (is that the right designation? The Blok-I, anyway).
Transfer orbit apogee was at 1325 UTC over the Antarctic; presumably the Volga burn began around that time.
Soyuz-2.1v is a two stages launcher :
- Bloc A (14S55)
- Bloc I (14S54)
It carries also an upper stage :
- Volga (14S46)
Yes, second stage. I meant to say second stage. Hard habit to break, thinking of the Blok I as third stage all these years!
I've also seen '132KS' for the first stage? (maybe from Anatoly Zak?)
By the way it looks like catalog 39490 to 39494 have been reserved for 2013-78A to 78E, which
will be Aist, two spheres, the Blok I stage, and the Volga stage with attached adapter.
Two references exists for 132КС as the 1st stage.
http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=8&cat=8&prod=74#
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/
Also refered to as 374БЛ04.
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Launch photo (screenshot) 8)
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This Video only confirms the mission liftoff but no video of launch.
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201312281816-vwo3.htm
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More (HD screenshots) 8)
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Artyom, stop teasing us! Please post the actual video! :)
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This is presumably the 14S54 third stage (is that the right designation? The Blok-I, anyway).
Transfer orbit apogee was at 1325 UTC over the Antarctic; presumably the Volga burn began around that time.
Soyuz-2.1v is a two stages launcher :
- Bloc A (14S55)
- Bloc I (14S54)
It carries also an upper stage :
- Volga (14S46)
Yes, second stage. I meant to say second stage. Hard habit to break, thinking of the Blok I as third stage all these years!
I've also seen '132KS' for the first stage? (maybe from Anatoly Zak?)
By the way it looks like catalog 39490 to 39494 have been reserved for 2013-78A to 78E, which
will be Aist, two spheres, the Blok I stage, and the Volga stage with attached adapter.
Two references exists for 132КС as the 1st stage.
http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=8&cat=8&prod=74#
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/
Also refered to as 374БЛ04.
Just re-checking this, it appears that 131КС is for the whole Soyuz-2-1V, whilst 132КС is for something called Союз-2-1ВУ?
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Artyom, stop teasing us! Please post the actual video! :)
Okay :D .
It was a live broadcast TV channel "Channel One"
Replay - http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/249348 ;) .
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Artyom, stop teasing us! Please post the actual video! :)
Okay :D .
It was a live broadcast TV channel "Channel One"
Replay - http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/249348 ;) .
Thanks bro! ;D
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Thx Artyom,
Just FYI
that "video" only has 2 photo's of the launch, no moving images...
(yeah i know, nitpick...)
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More objects found - looks like the one I mentioned earlier (2013-078A/39490) is the rocket's 2nd stage...
2013-078B/39491: 595 x 625 km x 82.42 deg.
2013-078C/39492: 598 x 626 km x 82.42 deg.
2013-078D/39493: 599 x 626 km x 82.42 deg.
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More launch pictures (http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1174416&cid=7 (http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1174416&cid=7))
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Artyom, stop teasing us! Please post the actual video! :)
Okay :D .
It was a live broadcast TV channel "Channel One"
Replay - http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/249348 ;) .
Same video on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95FB7Ya7tQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95FB7Ya7tQ)
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More objects found - looks like the one I mentioned earlier (2013-078A/39490) is the rocket's 2nd stage...
2013-078B/39491: 595 x 625 km x 82.42 deg.
2013-078C/39492: 598 x 626 km x 82.42 deg.
2013-078D/39493: 599 x 626 km x 82.42 deg.
and now also Object E
2013-078E/39494: 602 x 625 km x 82.42°
so they did catalog Volga?
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Artyom, stop teasing us! Please post the actual video! :)
Okay :D .
It was a live broadcast TV channel "Channel One"
Replay - http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/249348 ;) .
Same video on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95FB7Ya7tQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95FB7Ya7tQ)
http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=564845 this isn't bad however no launch video just into the clouds. Good enough for now
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Yes, second stage. I meant to say second stage. Hard habit to break, thinking of the Blok I as third stage all these years!
It did sort of start as the second stage of the R-9, part of the same family?
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Just saw the launch video (from the ground) on 24 My guess paid off ;)
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http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=564845 this isn't bad however no launch video just into the clouds. Good enough for now
Video about preparation :
http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=563751
Please these two videos on youtube. vesti.ru doesn't work for me :(
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vesti.ru doesn't work for me :(
Try Chrome
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Yes, second stage. I meant to say second stage. Hard habit to break, thinking of the Blok I as third stage all these years!
It did sort of start as the second stage of the R-9, part of the same family?
Yep.
After 50 years, they have re-invented the R-9. Edit: R-9 was an early ICBM with RD-111 as the first stage engine and RD-110 as the second stage engine, basically an analog of Titan I, which makes this Soyuz also an analog of Titan I.
BTW, it should be noted that the first stage engines are NK-33, not AJ-26. They come directly from Samara.
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Yes, second stage. I meant to say second stage. Hard habit to break, thinking of the Blok I as third stage all these years!
It did sort of start as the second stage of the R-9, part of the same family?
Yep.
After 50 years, they have re-invented the R-9.
BTW, it should be noted that the first stage engines are NK-33, not AJ-26. They come directly from Samara.
NO they are NK-33A (Modernized NK-33 updated with 21st century Engine controller and other new 21st Century systems installed to complete the creation of modernized NK-33 which is realized into the world as NK-33A) which Comes via Samara.
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Reuters news report on this launch.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/12/28/us-russia-space-idUKBRE9BP02S20131228
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Congratulations to newborn ! :)
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Just spotted this gets to be the last launch of 2013.
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Just spotted this gets to be the last launch of 2013.
Unless the Iranians or some other player launch one unexpectedly!
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Congratulations!
Btw, is this rocket meant to launch with 4 boosters as well in the future? I seem to recall seeing concept images of a heavy Soyuz launcher with the core powered by NK-33. It would be a neat evolution of the current Soyuz launcher to be able to launch with 0, 2, or 4 boosters depending on what performance is needed.
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That would be the Soyuz 2.3 and Soyuz 3 variants. Other notional plans included a cryogenic upper stage. It's not clear if it will ever be developed or replaced with a totally new launch vehicle family. I think the latter is more likely.
http://russianspaceweb.com/soyuz5.html
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That would be the Soyuz 2.3 and Soyuz 3 variants. Other notional plans included a cryogenic upper stage. It's not clear if it will ever be developed or replaced with a totally new launch vehicle family. I think the latter is more likely.
http://russianspaceweb.com/soyuz5.html (http://russianspaceweb.com/soyuz5.html)
4 (four) RD-120.10F engines might still be the next upgrade path (a good one). They have serial production in the Ukraine. Might be a good tradeoff for cash.
or a brand new RD-0155 engine (not much info available on this engine)
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Artyom, stop teasing us! Please post the actual video! :)
Okay :D .
It was a live broadcast TV channel "Channel One"
Replay - http://www.1tv.ru/news/techno/249348 ;) .
Same video on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95FB7Ya7tQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r95FB7Ya7tQ)
http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=564845 this isn't bad however no launch video just into the clouds. Good enough for now
Something new :):
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201312281816-vwo3.htm
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Something new :):
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201312281816-vwo3.htm
Awesome! Finally we have a launch video!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QokkEThzYSI
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This is presumably the 14S54 third stage (is that the right designation? The Blok-I, anyway).
Transfer orbit apogee was at 1325 UTC over the Antarctic; presumably the Volga burn began around that time.
Soyuz-2.1v is a two stages launcher :
- Bloc A (14S55)
- Bloc I (14S54)
It carries also an upper stage :
- Volga (14S46)
Yes, second stage. I meant to say second stage. Hard habit to break, thinking of the Blok I as third stage all these years!
I've also seen '132KS' for the first stage? (maybe from Anatoly Zak?)
By the way it looks like catalog 39490 to 39494 have been reserved for 2013-78A to 78E, which
will be Aist, two spheres, the Blok I stage, and the Volga stage with attached adapter.
Two references exists for 132КС as the 1st stage.
http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=8&cat=8&prod=74#
http://www.samspace.ru/zakupki/plany_zakupok/
Also refered to as 374БЛ04.
Just re-checking this, it appears that 131КС is for the whole Soyuz-2-1V, whilst 132КС is for something called Союз-2-1ВУ?
132КС is the first stage:-
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic9953/message1116649/#message1116649
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic9953/message1133416/#message1133416
Also fairing is 98КС, which was based on 11С529, which was based on 11С516.
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Just spotted this gets to be the last launch of 2013.
Unless the Iranians or some other player launch one unexpectedly!
Postponed to 2014 :(
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Some be-autiful pre-launch pics over on the NK forum :)
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This is the first Soviet/Russian launch vehicle to have a single single-chamber liquid-propulsion main engine on the first stage (albeit with thrusters surrounding it).
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This is the first Soviet/Russian launch vehicle to have a single single-chamber liquid-propulsion main engine on the first stage (albeit with thrusters surrounding it).
No, the Shtil had also the same configuration.
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This is the first Soviet/Russian launch vehicle to have a single single-chamber liquid-propulsion main engine on the first stage (albeit with thrusters surrounding it).
No, the Shtil had also the same configuration.
You're right - I had completely forgotten about them. Thank you.
(I think that this is my 1,000 posting here ........)
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New longer video fro TV Zvezda:
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201312291302-35ic.htm (http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201312291302-35ic.htm)
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Still 5 Objects with refreshed TLEs to-day, makes me wonder if Volga was really deorbited...
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Still 5 Objects with refreshed TLEs to-day, makes me wonder if Volga was really deorbited...
I was just about to post the same comment! Assuming the TLEs are accurate, another possibility is that
that big cylindrical adapter was jettisoned from Volga as a payload separation test
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Still 5 Objects with refreshed TLEs to-day, makes me wonder if Volga was really deorbited...
I was just about to post the same comment! Assuming the TLEs are accurate, another possibility is that
that big cylindrical adapter was jettisoned from Volga as a payload separation test
An insider on NK says that Volga re-entered over the Pacific Ocean
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1181342/#message1181342 (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1181342/#message1181342)
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The fifth object may be the 188KS adapter/conical cap on top of the payload "can".
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The fifth object may be the 188KS adapter/conical cap on top of the payload "can".
Is there any reason to think that the 188KS would have separated from the can?
(obviously possible, but I would have thought more likely the whole can would separate
from Volga, as a simulation of normal payload deploy...)
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The fifth object may be the 188KS adapter/conical cap on top of the payload "can".
Is there any reason to think that the 188KS would have separated from the can?
(obviously possible, but I would have thought more likely the whole can would separate
from Volga, as a simulation of normal payload deploy...)
i understand that at one time there were plans to simulate the operations of deploying a secondary payload from within the the payload dispenser thus 188KS would have needed to be jettisoned first. ultimately no secondary payloads were launched.
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The fifth object may be the 188KS adapter/conical cap on top of the payload "can".
Is there any reason to think that the 188KS would have separated from the can?
(obviously possible, but I would have thought more likely the whole can would separate
from Volga, as a simulation of normal payload deploy...)
i understand that at one time there were plans to simulate the operations of deploying a secondary payload from within the the payload dispenser thus 188KS would have needed to be jettisoned first. ultimately no secondary payloads were launched.
Ah, interesting. Then that's a plausible explanation.
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Does anybody have this photo in high resolution ::) ?
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Radar cross sections for the 5 in orbit objects have now been published:
Object A 10.316 m² (confirmed as 2nd stage)
Object B 0.634 m² (my guess: SKRL-756 #1)
Object C 0.137 m² (my guess: Adaptor 188 KS)
Object D 0.2693 m² (my guess: AIST)
Object E 0.630 m² (my guess: SKRL-756 #2)
(image source: TsSKB Progress)
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I would guess that the big adapter that holds the satellite to Volga is still attached to Volga, to generate a radar cross section of 10 m3.
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I would guess that the big adapter that holds the satellite to Volga is still attached to Volga, to generate a radar cross section of 10 m3.
No, Volga and the attached "big adapter" re-entered over the South Pacific soon after separation of the "payloads".
The radar cross section of 10 m² is reflected by Soyuz second stage still in orbit (Object A)
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It seems that there are no HR launch photos available. I only have these two pre launch photos in high resolution...
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Radar cross sections for the 5 in orbit objects have now been published:
Object A 10.316 m² (confirmed as 2nd stage)
Object B 0.634 m² (my guess: SKRL-756 #1)
Object C 0.137 m² (my guess: Adaptor 188 KS)
Object D 0.2693 m² (my guess: AIST)
Object E 0.630 m² (my guess: SKRL-756 #2)
SpaceTrack has now allocated names to Objects A to D which raise some questions and may change again.. ???
INTLDES NORAD_CAT_ID OBJECT_TYPE SATNAME PERIOD INCLINATION APOGEE PERIGEE RCSVALUE
2013-078E 39494 TBA OBJECT E 96.97 82.42 626 602 0.63
2013-078D 39493 ROCKET BODY SL-4 R/B 96.94 82.42 626 599 0.2941
2013-078C 39492 PAYLOAD AIST 1 96.94 82.42 626 599 0.183
2013-078B 39491 PAYLOAD SKRL 756 2 96.9 82.42 626 594 0.634
2013-078A 39490 PAYLOAD SKRL 756 1 92.86 82.43 571 258 13.9131
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Catalog listings have changed ;)
INTLDES NORAD_CAT_ID OBJECT_TYPE SATNAME PERIOD INCLINATION APOGEE PERIGEE RCSVALUE
2013-078A 39490 PAYLOAD SKRL 756 1 96.97 82.42 626 601 0.7079
2013-078E 39494 TBA OBJECT E 96.97 82.43 649 579 0.661
2013-078C 39492 PAYLOAD AIST 1 96.94 82.42 626 598 0.2069
2013-078B 39491 PAYLOAD SKRL 756 2 96.89 82.42 626 594 0.6694
2013-078D 39493 ROCKET BODY SL-4 R/B 92.77 82.43 563 258 6.8392
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And now launch video in Full HD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfFhpvZq4Ww
Enjoy and make wallpapers! I've already made mine :)
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anik, something is unclear to me.
If I understand correctly this discussion, the first flight was made with 14A15 N°2Л.
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum13/topic9953/?PAGEN_1=184
But later, you wrote that first flight was with 14А15 №2Л...
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12873/message1180748/#message1180748
What happened with 2Л ?
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26 БВ "Волга" РН "Союз 2-1в" 28.12.2013 Задачу выполнил БОКЗ-М60 2
http://ofo.ikiweb.ru/bokz.php
БОКЗ-М60 are star trackers on Volga
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but so in documents: 14A15 #001
So it means that it was 14А15 №78031001.
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Catalog listings have changed ;)
INTLDES NORAD_CAT_ID OBJECT_TYPE SATNAME PERIOD INCLINATION APOGEE PERIGEE RCSVALUE
2013-078A 39490 PAYLOAD SKRL 756 1 96.97 82.42 626 601 0.7079
2013-078E 39494 TBA OBJECT E 96.97 82.43 649 579 0.661
2013-078C 39492 PAYLOAD AIST 1 96.94 82.42 626 598 0.2069
2013-078B 39491 PAYLOAD SKRL 756 2 96.89 82.42 626 594 0.6694
2013-078D 39493 ROCKET BODY SL-4 R/B 92.77 82.43 563 258 6.8392
2013-078E has disappeared from the catalog
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I have new high resolution pictures of Soyuz-2.1v maiden launch :
http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lancements/2013/28122013/28122013photos.html
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On this one, serial number is visible. It confirms anik's data.
http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lancements/2013/28122013/28122013-39.jpg
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On this one, serial number is visible. It confirms anik's data.
http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lancements/2013/28122013/28122013-39.jpg
So 1st stage is 002 and fairing is 001; what about the second blok-I stage?
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On this one, serial number is visible. It confirms anik's data.
http://www.kosmonavtika.com/lancements/2013/28122013/28122013-39.jpg
So 1st stage is 002 and fairing is 001; what about the second blok-I stage?
This is due to 1st stage 001 being used either in entirety or for parts after the first stage GTA failure and explosion on the the stand because of stands emergency system system and some fuel supply piping failing during the GTA NK-33A engine AVD and abort sequence.