Quote from: JohnFornaro on 09/13/2014 02:40 pmQuote from: Rodal on 09/13/2014 01:16 amDr . Woodward ... it is a radiation reaction interaction, presumably, that involves the Wheeler-Feynman ...Mr. Woodward does not answer any questions at all by saying "presumably".Yes Dr. Woodward clearly said "presumably" (in the video I referenced)
Quote from: Rodal on 09/13/2014 01:16 amDr . Woodward ... it is a radiation reaction interaction, presumably, that involves the Wheeler-Feynman ...Mr. Woodward does not answer any questions at all by saying "presumably".
Dr . Woodward ... it is a radiation reaction interaction, presumably, that involves the Wheeler-Feynman ...
Now, missions to Saturn in 286 days?
Sizzle, schmizzle...
To get a... well, obvious question out of the way, if the effect is real, and is predicted to scale up, why not build a 33 kilowatt device, place it on an old fashioned weighing scale, and wow the world with a whole pound of thrust?
Quote from: RotoSequence on 09/13/2014 07:23 pmTo get a... well, obvious question out of the way, if the effect is real, and is predicted to scale up, why not build a 33 kilowatt device, place it on an old fashioned weighing scale, and wow the world with a whole pound of thrust?Shhhhh.
Quote from: birchoff on 09/13/2014 01:04 pm@PaulMarchNot sure if you will be able to answer this or not but, are there any plans for EagleWorks to carry out tests on Woodward's M-E devices?@birchoff See this paper by Paul March, Fig.7 and Fig.8, p.1330:http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=31119.0;attach=496011FIGURE 7. Woodward’s Mach-2MHz MLT Test Article, vxB core & March’s Test Stand.FIGURE 8. Mach-2MHz MLT Test Results - Predicted Thrust is 1.3 / 5.0 Milligram-Force.and this paper by Dr. White, slide 40:http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20140000851.pdfIt appears from this that Paul March's/Dr.Woodward's device is the one tested in the 2005 campaign shown by Dr. White giving:Thrust ~ 3 mN Specific Force ~ 0.3 N/kW
@PaulMarchNot sure if you will be able to answer this or not but, are there any plans for EagleWorks to carry out tests on Woodward's M-E devices?
Quote from: JohnFornaro on 09/14/2014 01:33 amQuote from: RotoSequence on 09/13/2014 07:23 pmTo get a... well, obvious question out of the way, if the effect is real, and is predicted to scale up, why not build a 33 kilowatt device, place it on an old fashioned weighing scale, and wow the world with a whole pound of thrust?Shhhhh.There is no conspiracy here, They just havent not proven beyond reasonable doubt that the effect is real. A nice way of characterizing these developments is like seeing smoke rising on the horizon. We would like to believe it is fire but we most investigate (experiment) to find out if our gut feeling is accurate.
Quote from: birchoff on 09/14/2014 05:09 amQuote from: JohnFornaro on 09/14/2014 01:33 amQuote from: RotoSequence on 09/13/2014 07:23 pmTo get a... well, obvious question out of the way, if the effect is real, and is predicted to scale up, why not build a 33 kilowatt device, place it on an old fashioned weighing scale, and wow the world with a whole pound of thrust?Shhhhh.There is no conspiracy here, They just havent not proven beyond reasonable doubt that the effect is real. A nice way of characterizing these developments is like seeing smoke rising on the horizon. We would like to believe it is fire but we most investigate (experiment) to find out if our gut feeling is accurate.Star-Drive's been working on this stuff for years, and has built said devices himself, and he seems to be beyond a shadow of a doubt that these devices are real. High power transmitters aren't especially complex devices, and with how long everyone's been fiddling with them, it seems like it would be an effective use of time and money to build a machine that can demonstrate the effect to the naked eye, even if it wasn't useful for anything else.
Why is that every time something like this appears that there is certain strand of belief online that they must have had these for years but kept them secret. It's a depressingly recurrent theme for cutting edge technology whatever the field and I don't know what it is says about scientific literacy in the public at large.
Quote from: Star One on 09/14/2014 08:40 amWhy is that every time something like this appears that there is certain strand of belief online that they must have had these for years but kept them secret. It's a depressingly recurrent theme for cutting edge technology whatever the field and I don't know what it is says about scientific literacy in the public at large.I'm not asking why or claiming that he's keeping it secret. I'm asking why a larger one, which would (I hope) help demonstrate that EM drive technology is a real thing, hasn't been built yet.
Quote from: JohnFornaro on 09/14/2014 01:33 amQuote from: RotoSequence on 09/13/2014 07:23 pm...why not build a 33 kilowatt device...Shhhhh.There is no conspiracy here...
Quote from: RotoSequence on 09/13/2014 07:23 pm...why not build a 33 kilowatt device...Shhhhh.
...why not build a 33 kilowatt device...
HSF. HSF? Ah... Human Space Flight. See... I'm a newbie.
High power transmitters aren't especially complex devices, and with how long everyone's been fiddling with them, it seems like it would be an effective use of time and money to build a machine that can demonstrate the effect to the naked eye, even if it wasn't useful for anything else.
...It's a depressingly recurrent theme for cutting edge technology whatever the field and I don't know what it is says about scientific literacy in the public at large.
But (again) I'm against a "what if it works" scenario that wont go to all the inescapable consequences, when the consequences are on firm ground that couldn't possibly be overtaken by the hypothesis.
@RodalThanks for the pointers. I was looking for that deck that you linked to on NTRS. I believe Dr. White used it in a presentation I saw this year. Anyway, the most interesting thing about that deck is it seems like there is mounting evidence that there really is something here. Though what I really wonder about is if the Boeing SFE test article had such good results, what happened to it? are there any future plans for further testing on that particular design. I cannot seem to find any information via google or NTRS documenting the test campaign that Boeing device is said to be apart of. I hope it is not covered by NDA...
I have a readily detectable mass effect on my bookshelf at least.
Finally, for thirds, the "public at large" believes that warp drive is around the corner, thanks to misleading advertising. It isn't.