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PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« on: 12/20/2011 08:42 pm »
I appreciate a good ad smackdown.  It usually causes both sides to excel more.

http://www.futurespaceusa.com/smoke_fire.html
« Last Edit: 12/20/2011 09:11 pm by Antares »
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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #1 on: 12/20/2011 08:47 pm »
Ha! Excellent concept and composition, I like it.

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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #2 on: 12/20/2011 08:58 pm »
Brilliant!

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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #3 on: 12/20/2011 09:06 pm »
PWR boosts of 14 launches in 12 months using its engines.

Five were primarily boosted by Russian RD-180s, but used PWR RL-10s for the upper stage.  I'll generously give PWR credit for half of the liquid propulsion, or 2.5 launches.

Six used SSMEs or RS-27A engines - engines being phased out on rockets being phased out.  The total for this category will be ZERO in 2012.  (Is this a boost of corporate prowess, or a celebration of the company winding down its operations?  Wasn't PWR thinking of selling off its liquid rocket business a few months back?)

The remaining three launches were performed by Delta IV rockets using  RS-68 and RL-10 engines. 

Projecting into 2012, then, I predict 5.5 launches using PWR engines. 

I wonder how "the other guys" will do by comparison?

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« Last Edit: 12/20/2011 09:15 pm by edkyle99 »

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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #4 on: 12/20/2011 09:12 pm »
PWR boosts of 14 launches in 12 months using its engines.

Five were primarily boosted by Russian RD-180s, but used PWR RL-10s for the upper stage.  I'll generously give PWR credit for half of the liquid propulsion, or 2.5 launches.

Six used SSMEs or RS-27A engines - engines being phased out on rockets being phased out.  The total for this category will be ZERO in 2012.

The remaining three launches were performed by Delta IV rockets using  RS-68 and RL-10 engines. 

Projecting into 2012, then, I predict 5.5 launches using PWR engines. 

I wonder how "the other guys" will do by comparison?

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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #5 on: 12/20/2011 09:14 pm »
The question is… Why do they feel they need to run an ad ?
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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #6 on: 12/20/2011 09:16 pm »
I appreciate a good ad smackdown.  It usually causes both sides to excel more.

It works for presidential politics. ::)

I don't see "the other guys" launching misleading patriotic websites with buried references to their company. This smells like ATK's "Safe Simple Soon." The video is great though.
« Last Edit: 12/20/2011 09:17 pm by Jason1701 »

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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #7 on: 12/20/2011 09:20 pm »
The question is… Why do they feel they need to run an ad ?

Isn't that what competition and commercial products are supposed to be about?  I think people have an unhealthy fixation with trying to divide between supposedly "new" and "old" space. 

Why don't people ask why SpaceX places ads/videos/etc (or releases an Estes rocket)?
« Last Edit: 12/20/2011 09:21 pm by OV-106 »
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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #8 on: 12/20/2011 09:27 pm »
The question is… Why do they feel they need to run an ad ?

Isn't that what competition and commercial products are supposed to be about?  I think people have an unhealthy fixation with trying to divide between supposedly "new" and "old" space. 

Why don't people ask why SpaceX places ads/videos/etc (or releases an Estes rocket)?
To me it’s all good, like I’ve said before “we are all on this grand adventure together”. That being said, I guess I’ll have to run out and get one.  ;D
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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #9 on: 12/20/2011 11:34 pm »
Ha! Excellent concept and composition, I like it.
I thought it was clever. :)

Still, Ed has a good point.

This ad shows that they're starting to feel pressure (or think they soon will) from the New Space folk (particularly SpaceX with the Falcon series and the latest Stratolaunch announcement about using SpaceX engines). As Ed points out, they're going to be much less prominent in the next 12 months.
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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #10 on: 12/20/2011 11:52 pm »
They advertise on the wrong sites, so they can go shove it ;D

(I still love SSMEs ;)).
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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #11 on: 12/21/2011 12:08 am »
I appreciate a good ad smackdown.  It usually causes both sides to excel more.

http://www.futurespaceusa.com/smoke_fire.html


Very clever.

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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #12 on: 12/21/2011 12:33 am »
I appreciate a good ad smackdown.  It usually causes both sides to excel more.

It works for presidential politics. ::)

I don't see "the other guys" launching misleading patriotic websites with buried references to their company. This smells like ATK's "Safe Simple Soon." The video is great though.

It doesn't work for presidential election politics. (as you probably meant)  All we get is more posturing and ridicule.

You don't see it elsewhere?

And Loren Thompson?  Puleeze!

But the idea of letting the hardware talk is one that can't be denied.  Just wish it would happen more often.
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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #13 on: 12/21/2011 12:56 am »
It's clever but incorrect.
Not all new space companies are all talk.

I don't think one can seriously knock Spacex anymore as they flew a capsule and recovered it.

Many other are making progress too such as the secretive Blue Origin,SNC,and Armadillo etc.
« Last Edit: 12/21/2011 01:04 am by Patchouli »

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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #14 on: 12/21/2011 12:58 am »
"I appreciate a good ad smackdown."

Great comment, Antares.
Sometimes I just flat out don't get it.

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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #15 on: 12/21/2011 01:01 am »
They still have Rl-10
possible SSME expendable for SLS
possible CECE derived engines
possible engines for ACES

Their ad says they are trying to lower cost. Interesting!
This ad helps support the other company, that is that they could most likely be a major competitor.

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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #16 on: 12/21/2011 01:09 am »
They still have Rl-10
possible SSME expendable for SLS
possible CECE derived engines
possible engines for ACES

Their ad says they are trying to lower cost. Interesting!
This ad helps support the other company, that is that they could most likely be a major competitor.

Also the J-2X for the SLS EDS and the RS-88 LAS/OME engine on the CST-100.
« Last Edit: 12/21/2011 01:10 am by Patchouli »

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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #17 on: 12/21/2011 04:14 am »
P.S. the Youtube associated with it is even better.

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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #18 on: 12/21/2011 04:32 am »
I appreciate a good ad smackdown.  It usually causes both sides to excel more.

http://www.futurespaceusa.com/smoke_fire.html


Bring it on, people. 

You don't see this kind of competition in spaceflight anywhere else in the world - I think that is something to be proud of.

« Last Edit: 12/21/2011 07:46 am by Tcommon »

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Re: PWR takes a shot at NewSpace in new ad
« Reply #19 on: 12/21/2011 05:21 am »
American companies need to come together and compete against foreign companies to keep up and build the domestic economy.

In the 1980's and early 1990's domestic car companies would compete against each other and not agianst the foreign competition. Less American auto makers with less American owned manufacturing with less American workers, bad economy.

Same things happens with the space launch industry. Some of the space companies are out sourcing to foreign countries with American tax payer dollars.
 
There is no reason to out source American dollars when we can do it our selves and save our economy.

So for the PWR ad they should show why American rocket engines and hardware are worth going with over a forgein launch.

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