Quote from: QuantumG on 12/20/2013 11:48 pmQuote from: savuporo on 12/20/2013 11:41 pmThey collaborate with multiple entities. ESA, Russians, also ILOOh, is that all we're talking about? As far as I can tell, they're not any better off for the experience than the US.I thought the OP was talking about an ISS-scale cooperation.http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/10/science-uk-manned-mission-mars-china-usQuoteOn their return George Osborne announced in his autumn statement that Britain is setting aside £80m for an international space co-operation fund for emerging powers. China and India, which both have highly developed space programmes, will be free to apply.Please read the article above in full.http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/20/china-jade-rabbit-rover-space-politicsNASA Budget: £18bn.CNSA : Budget: $1.3bnISRO : Budget: $1.3bn.ESA : Budget: $5.5bnRSA : Budget : $5.5bn.JAXA : Budget: $2.5bnObviously, £80m anywhere else but NASA will go much further.
Quote from: savuporo on 12/20/2013 11:41 pmThey collaborate with multiple entities. ESA, Russians, also ILOOh, is that all we're talking about? As far as I can tell, they're not any better off for the experience than the US.I thought the OP was talking about an ISS-scale cooperation.
They collaborate with multiple entities. ESA, Russians, also ILO
On their return George Osborne announced in his autumn statement that Britain is setting aside £80m for an international space co-operation fund for emerging powers. China and India, which both have highly developed space programmes, will be free to apply.
Still haven't seen a reason provided
I can create a poll if no one else does, but I'd like to see it be more than just a yes no... what are the possible alternatives? Here are some I came up with- No collaboration or cooperation of any sort other than what is required by international law (NOTAMs and the like)- Sharing research results after the fact (modify ITAR as required in every case from here down)- Access to the DSN for Chinese scientific missions plus the above- Flying experiments on each other's vehicles plus the above- Launching craft on each other's vehicles plus the above- Invite the Chinese to be an ISS partner (if ESA and other parties agree) plus the above- Plan the ISS followon to incorporate the Chinese plus the above- Allow private firms to plan future commercial (ISRU and resource extraction) joint ventures with the Chinese
The Chinese should not bother collaborating with the USA.Historically, the USA has a record of breaking agreements and making unilateral decisions which its partners then have to work around. It is much better for China to develop its own expertise and let the USA decline as a "space power".
A poll has been created here:http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=33581.msg1136927#msg1136927
The future of human race lies in the cooperation of the whole human race. We're one.
do you remember the section the poll was included? I suspect it has been removed but maybe access has been moved. I would be curious to know for which reason. ITAR?
Isn't the editing here getting a little heavy handed?
Quote from: RonM on 12/26/2013 03:24 amIsn't the editing here getting a little heavy handed?If you saw what stuff people started dragging out of the dark corners, no. That thread belonged under politics section in the first place.
Frankly speaking I'm astonished by what happened. Why not to cancel the offending posts reminding what can be done and what not, as happened many times?I noticed since the beginning that the poll was not in the right section, but, first, I would have expected at least a word in this thread to say why the poll itself has been removed. Second, from what I read, very different but interesting point of views, were posted, as expected. No offenses, or harsh discussions. So, I think banning of this poll is someway related to the problem: we are not allowed to talk about the relations in space between these two countries. Imagine if we can think of collaborating!No problems. Bye bye - I'll go somewhere where polite, on-topic comments can be posted without risking that the time spent writing them is just wasted. Sorry for my (rapid) transit through this website coming to the end and for being concerned about the future of collaboration in space.Of course read this quickly: I expect it will be cancelled as well any soon as a dangerous form of criticism.