Quote from: SpacexULA on 04/16/2010 03:52 am...He is shucking for his industry and organization...And I flat out don't have a problem with that either.Quote from: R.Simko on 04/16/2010 03:54 pmWhat some people view here as arrogance, I see as a "CAN DO" spirit....And I flat out don't have a problem with that either. It's not arrogance, it's confidence.I was just already tired of reading that mushy stuff at the end.
...He is shucking for his industry and organization...
What some people view here as arrogance, I see as a "CAN DO" spirit....
Yeah that sounds like the best thing to say before the most powerful man in the world shows up to check out your vehicle.
Quote from: gladiator1332 on 04/16/2010 05:57 pmYeah that sounds like the best thing to say before the most powerful man in the world shows up to check out your vehicle. Speaking of which... Originally, Obama was supposed to visit the Atlas pad If I'm not mistaken. I wonder why the late change of plan. No doubt this will cement the erroneous notion of "commercial = SpaceX" in many people's minds so maybe it wasn't such a good idea in that regard.
Quote from: FinalFrontier on 04/15/2010 06:40 pmLike the fact that he assumes he has the credibility to make these remarks. He has not sufficently demonstrated the viability of his LV's yet IMO. That he appears to assume that he is a serious player at this point is the arrogant part. Not until f9 has a few flights under its built would I have made ANY statement (let alone his statement) if I was in his position. He is shucking for his industry and organization, no different than ULA talking up Fuel Depots, even though they have never built them, Virgin Galactic talking up their passenger vehicle wen they've never carried more than a single person at a time, or Shuttle Managers talking up the benefits of SDLV, even though their numbers are based off projections, just like ULA's.Let's all just hope, no matter what Congress decides to green light, they fund it fully this time.
Like the fact that he assumes he has the credibility to make these remarks. He has not sufficently demonstrated the viability of his LV's yet IMO. That he appears to assume that he is a serious player at this point is the arrogant part. Not until f9 has a few flights under its built would I have made ANY statement (let alone his statement) if I was in his position.
Quote from: JohnFornaro on 04/16/2010 05:26 pmQuote from: SpacexULA on 04/16/2010 03:52 am...He is shucking for his industry and organization...And I flat out don't have a problem with that either.Quote from: R.Simko on 04/16/2010 03:54 pmWhat some people view here as arrogance, I see as a "CAN DO" spirit....And I flat out don't have a problem with that either. It's not arrogance, it's confidence.I was just already tired of reading that mushy stuff at the end.I agree. I mean what do people expect Musk to say? "I am 100% confident my company cannot meet the deadlines. Our reliability numbers are completely made up, and I am pretty sure this thing will fail. And if you are wondering which vehicle I think is best for the job, well I would go talk to those Shuttle guys over there, or maybe ULA, they sure as hell have a better idea about what it is going on than I do!" Yeah that sounds like the best thing to say before the most powerful man in the world shows up to check out your vehicle.
Mr Musk has put small payloads, very small, into orbit. Nasa did that in the 1950's.And by magic Mr Musk will leap forward many years of capability in 3 years ? Come on !!!
Read ANGLE OF ATTACK or any other Apollo history book, learn a little physics. You will see that Apollo was at least 100 times harder than what you might think. It is true. It is physics.
Mr Musk is naive, he's a kid. I bet he would find fault with 1000 decisions made during Apollo, ask him !! But it worked and it was based on reality. Note that I did not say I wish him ill. Also the can do spirit must be based somewhat on reality, also.
...I wonder why the late change of plan...
...Mr Musk is naive, he's a kid...
Constellation attempted to be Budget, Time line, and Safety optimized. When you try to do that all 3 will fail spectacularly.Flexible path is Safety and Budget optimized, not Time line optimized. That's why you see people so up in arms. You don't get all 3 in ANY development program I have ever seen. Something has to give.
Quote from: SpacexULA on 04/17/2010 03:20 pmConstellation attempted to be Budget, Time line, and Safety optimized. When you try to do that all 3 will fail spectacularly.Flexible path is Safety and Budget optimized, not Time line optimized. That's why you see people so up in arms. You don't get all 3 in ANY development program I have ever seen. Something has to give.But how to keep Congress' interest alive through a 25-year programme that doesn't even intend to land on Mars?cheers, Martin
But how to keep Congress' interest alive through a 25-year programme that doesn't even intend to land on Mars?
It does intend to land on Mars. Didn't you see the president's speech?
QuoteIt does intend to land on Mars. Didn't you see the president's speech? Thanks! I needed a laugh tonight.
By the mid-2030s, I believe we can send humans to orbit Mars and return them safely to Earth. And a landing on Mars will follow. And I expect to be around to see it.
You will probably call me naive for believing what Obama said. However, I think it is perfectly correct to say that according to the speech that Obama made on the 15th, his plan for NASA does intend to land on Mars. Call me optimistic but I think it could happen.
Mars might as well be in the 22nd century. There will be no Mars landing till possibly the latter part of the 21st century. These predictions for the 2030's are way off. More like 2050's or 2060's. Bigelow has announced landing their inflatable space habitat on the Moon first before anything on Mars. Right now NASA is talking about flyby's not landings.
Quote from: Rabidpanda on 04/20/2010 04:45 amYou will probably call me naive for believing what Obama said. However, I think it is perfectly correct to say that according to the speech that Obama made on the 15th, his plan for NASA does intend to land on Mars. Call me optimistic but I think it could happen.With all due respect, I do believe it is naive to assume that in return for dismantling our existing infrastructure and experience base, we will receive some wonderful breakthrough that enables a vastly superior HLV after 2015.